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140i and TPMS

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#1 ·
At the time I bought my car, I also bought a spare set of unused OEM wheels and tyres off eBay from a chap who upgraded his new 135 to bigger wheels. For only a grand, I felt it was a good deal and the plan was to wear out my originals, swap the wheels and then fit my originals with Winter tyres so that I could swap over between winter and summer.
My question relates to the TPMS senders in the spare wheels - do they have to be synced with the car?? Is this a job for the dealer or will the new wheels sync merely by resetting the tyre pressures in the iDrive? (assuming the latter isn't mid reboot)
The dealer tells me all that is needed is to reset the pressures in the iDrive and the system should automatically sync with the TPMS senders in the new wheels - I suspect the info is correct.
Whilst on the subject - can anyone answer the following . . . . . Prior to the latest cars being fitted with TPMS, the older generation had a more basic tyre pressure monitoring system which used the ABS to monitor the differential wheel speeds in order to detect a puncture of loss of pressure. So, you've got a tyre that's slightly deflated, it's radius is reduced at the point of contact with the road and thus, at any given road speed, the rotational speed of the wheel is increased, relative to the other wheels. Clearly, there are other things that will affect any differential in rotational speed, the most obvious being tyre wear, wheel size and cornering, where the outside wheels have to rotate faster. This explains the need for a "reset" and so . . . with the older ABS system, you pump up your tyres to the correct pressures, press "reset" and go for a short drive to allow the system to monitor the relative speeds of each of the wheels. Once the system has this data, any divergence from these differentials and in particular, when one wheel is found to rotate faster than it should compared to the others, will immediately trigger a tyre pressure warning.
OK - so now we have senders inside the wheel which wirelessly transmit the actual pressure from each tyre directly to the iDrive controller and presumably, if the pressure falls either above or below a manufacturer-set tolerance, a warning is triggered.
So . . the question is, why does my car still require a TPMS "reset" after pumping up the tyres and the mandatory 4-5 mile drive in order to fully complete the set up?? It tends to suggest that perhaps the newer cars are using both systems in parallel. Perhaps if the battery fails in the TPMS senders, the system falls back on the old school differential rotational speed and the ABS system to detect a puncture or loss of tyre pressure. Does anyone know the answer??
 
#3 ·
OK - thanks for that. So the "reset" will sync the senders to the iDrive so that it "sees" them - I did suspect this was correct.
If you inflate your tyres without a "reset", clearly it won't cause an issue with the TPMS senders which simply report that actual pressure in each tyre but it will screw up the base settings for the ABS-monitoring, if this is being used in parallel with the senders and I suspect it is - unless there is another explanation why the car requires a 4-5 mile drive after a "reset". I'm struggling to understand why this would otherwise be necessary.
If I press the TPMS reset, the iDrive states this must be done with the car stationary and then over the course of the next few miles, I get a message saying TPMS 10%, 20%, 30% complete . . finally ending with the message "TPMS system reset now complete" which was excactly the same message as I used to get in my MK1 1 series that didn't have TPMS senders in the wheels but only had the ABS-based system.
 
#4 ·
ABS (wheel speed) sensors are not used by the current 'active' TPMS at all - since week 10 of 2014.

The car requires 4 -5 miles after a Reset as has it re-learn all the serial numbers, and their positions. There is no need to make it forget all the sensors following a simple pressure adjust. They are centripetally activated, hence the need for a drive.
 
#5 ·
Of course, that makes more sense now - many thanks!!! I had forgotten the senders are basically "switched off" until activated by rotation of the wheel and so a simple reset won't trigger the senders.
You've saved me a job - for the last few years, I've been pressing reset every time I pumped my tyres up - duh!!! :rollseyes:
 
#6 ·
There's another objective for the reset after pumping - when you reset it, you are telling the system that your reference is that pressure now present. So it can alert you if it diverts from that "X" value.

For exemple, my car has a recommended pressure target of 2.4 bar all around, which I've used for some months, having later switched for a 2.2 bar target - when I resetted it with 2.4 bar, it would alert me of low pressure around 2.2 bar... When I resetted it with 2.2 bar, it would alert me of low pressure around 2.0 bar.

Something around those lines.
 
#7 ·
Yes, makes sense. I had assumed the trigger pressure was fixed and set by the manufacturer but what you're describing would allow greater sensitivity. My main confusion was caused by the need for a short trip following the reset and which led me to think the car was using both systems for pressure monitoring but I understand the reason for it now!
Thanks for your helpful comment
 
#9 ·
They routinely under read by 1-3psi by design. Maybe you actually have 3 that over read! Jokes aside that is not a failure. It's annoying but they always read slightly lower than a calibrated gauge reading. Don't forget to take into account thermal changes in pressure. Tyres that read 30psi at 3deg on the idrive would read ~33psi at 25deg operating temp, and actually be at more like 35psi if measured accurately.
 
#10 ·
padders said:
They routinely under read by 1-3psi by design. Maybe you actually have 3 that over read! Jokes aside that is not a failure. It's annoying but they always read slightly lower than a calibrated gauge reading. Don't forget to take into account thermal changes in pressure. Tyres that read 30psi at 3deg on the idrive would read ~33psi at 25deg operating temp, and actually be at more like 35psi if measured accurately.
Thanks, relatively they have all read approximately the same give or take a bit, it's just annoying that one all of a sudden is 2psi different to all the rest, but measuring the actually tyre pressures they are the same.