I have doubts as to whether this stuff is as good as the best after market stuff and no doubt the cost is higher.

 

That depends on what you are after, none of the above (suspension and muffler) offers the extreme especially from the price performance perspective. But I need the car for everyday use so the increase in stiffness, the drop and the sound are just right for me, not too much...

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looks great!

 

I make no comment on the exhaust BMW stuff is very good in that regard but their springs aren't progressively wound and I have always found after market by the likes of H+R and eibach to be better in every respect including practicality and ride.

 

Not sure why there are negative comments posted with no experience of even trying the set-up?

I guess that's the internet :-(

 

Not sure why there are negative comments posted with no experience of even trying the set-up?

I guess that's the internet :-(

+1. A bit rude to be honest.

The drop on the car looks great. Give us some more feedback on the handling when you can.

 

The car looks great with the nice subtle drop! Has anyone had this priced up from a UK dealer? And do they do an adaptive version?

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I haven't tried other low down springs so can't compare but perhaps one can't compare just springs change (using stock damper)? But for the pose obviously HR or Eibach offers better stance (seen those before) but like I said I don't need that much drop...

As per handling, the stock M-sport dampers are indeed quite supportive and rigid especially near the end of the stroke. Probably needs to maintain ride comfort it's a bit soft on the initial travel and the stroke distance is a bit long hence gives the impression that there are unnecessary body rolling (like I said it hold up near the end).

With the new dampers the body rolling is gone, can definitely tell the differences (I tested on the same route going home), now the stiffness maintains throughout the whole (shorter) travel. Of course it comes as a price to comfort - the bounce back over potholes and speed bumps is quicker and stronger but so far I m ok with it...

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Ooo drop looks good, if not perfect!

 

Are your new dampers adaptive?

 

I was not intending to be rude and indeed the car looks great, I was merely commenting that in twenty years of BMW ownership I have always found aftermarket springs and dampers to be better than the BMW stuff and nearly always for less money too. To my mind forums are to spread knowledge not to massage egos and the original poster has taken my comments in the spirit in which they were intended.

 

Why is stiffer better ?

 

Why is stiffer better ?

Less body roll=better handling

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New dampers are not adaptive

Meanwhile I sincerely hope there were no bad feelings spread!

 

Why is stiffer better ?

Less body roll=better handling

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I would say different handling. I like roll, it's what tells me how close I am to the limits of lat grip. I like roll as usually means more travel which keeps the wheels in contact with he road. On a track though, yes a stiffer set up but only up to a point, traction becomes the issue.

I think too much attention is given to springs and not enough to the quality of the damping. The weight transfers are still the same whether stiff or soft. I think suspension set up and kinematics are far more complex than a simple equation. I think the perception of improvement however, is quick and easy to fix. We've all seen those guys turning up on track days with upgraded cars that were actually undrivable, if not dangerous.

 

I understand what you are saying, its kind of like every reaction has a reaction. The domino effect when modding cars.

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Why is stiffer better ?

Less body roll=better handling

e87 118d sapphire black, bmwp goodies, bc br coilovers, stage 2 ecotune remap, m3 control arms, polybushes, 130i front brakes...

I would say different handling. I like roll, it's what tells me how close I am to the limits of lat grip. I like roll as usually means more travel which keeps the wheels in contact with he road. On a track though, yes a stiffer set up but only up to a point, traction becomes the issue.

I think too much attention is given to springs and not enough to the quality of the damping. The weight transfers are still the same whether stiff or soft. I think suspension set up and kinematics are far more complex than a simple equation. I think the perception of improvement however, is quick and easy to fix. We've all seen those guys turning up on track days with upgraded cars that were actually undrivable, if not dangerous.

Good point, in this respect i think both the stock and the M Perf dampers perform well. By "softer" the stock dampers actually hold up quite nicely near the end, it just allows longer travel; by "stiffer" the MP dampers still negotiates with certain elasticity (unlike the Mini Cooper S that i've driven - it almost jumps!) - only that I prefer the later.

 

For those with adaptive who want to tweak their dampers characteristics there's aftermarket SW upgrades starting to come out into the market ie Dinan Shockware

Link below is for F30

http://dinancars.com/product/d906-3...nan-shockware-suspension-tuning-for-bmw-f30-335i-edc/?series=3-Series&mid=1205/

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Link below is bimmerpost review of Dinan's adaptive SW upgrade for F10 5 series c/w with non-Dinan aftermarket springs [ACS springs]

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=795123

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No doubt only a matter of time before Dinan do the same for F2x series.....