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I'm new to the the forum and looking to buy a 123d coupe in the next couple of weeks.
My question is auto or manual I will probably be getting the car remapped at some point also. I drove a ttrs s tronic and loved it but have never driven a 1 series auto?
My budget is around 10k.
Real life MPG? I'll be mixed town driving and abit or motorways
Any other advice would be appreciated.
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Do a lot of research into the N47 timing chain failure before going to see one, so you know what to listen out for. Lots of people sell up when they start getting noisy, don't get stuck with a pup!

Make sure it boosts correctly too, the complicated twin turbo set-up has 3 actuators, which are getting famous for sticking/failing.
 

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Is a 123d really the right car for you with a 10k budget if you're doing a mixture of town driving and abit of motorways?

How many miles per annum will you be covering?
 

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its only really the timing chain that worries these cars (N47) and the twin-turbo set up is trickier on the 123D, everything else seems pretty well engineered, great gearboxes (notchy but very precise), DPF seems better than other manufacturers.

Love my 1er, albeit a 118d, cruised past 142k yesterday :D not broke a sweat. Change oil frequently and all should be well for many years.
 

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I used to get around 42mpg in mine doing a mix of town and A road driving.
I had the manual which I liked and I would think is more fun to drive but more hassle in traffic. Depends what sort of driving your doing most I guess.
 

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Probably around 15k miles a year, I do a few long drives trips to lakes Scotland etc but want a car which I can take out for a drive on a weekend and enjoy but have decent MPG on runs.
I have looked a little about the timing chain and isn't it covered by a recall?
Does anyone know about an autobox with a remap?
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Do a lot of research into the N47 timing chain failure before going to see one, so you know what to listen out for. Lots of people sell up when they start getting noisy, don't get stuck with a pup!

Make sure it boosts correctly too, the complicated twin turbo set-up has 3 actuators, which are getting famous for sticking/failing.
This.

The actuators suck and can really ruin your day when you put your foot down and nothing happens apart from a big puff of black smoke out the back. Also as mentioned timing chain.

Real world driving I would say 38/42 roughly, I commute 80 miles a day and get mid-high 40's !

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I have a 123d coupe on 40k. I've always owned manual cars but decided to go for the auto gearbox in the 123d. It's great to drive, very smooth and hasn't flopped on me.

Using paddle shift is interesting, definitely takes some time getting used to but it's a fun drive especially for a diesel! Give one a test drive and you won't be disappointed.
 

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The timing chain issue has been "attended to" on the earliest and perhaps worst effected cars made between 2007 and 2008 but BMW kept changing the detail of the guides in particular though they claim that anything made after 3/2011 uses the final design parts. Arguably the worst aspect of the problem was a driver cog built as part of the crank that had a manufacturing fault that caused some to wear out the chain. Their site claims engines later than those 2007/8 that should have had the QE attention can become noisy but should not suffer catastrophic failure/damage - and this from the company that has not actually admitted this to be a design fault. Ultimately they had several design issues, the effects of which they can only tweek after manufacture - they can't alter the run of the chains or the location at the rear of the engine. I run a late 2007 120D at 135k gentle miles which has never been noisy but which has had one of the chains changed by BMW thanks to the QE programme. If you have noisy chains it will cost circa £1000 to change the chains but if a chain lets go it will be several times this cost.
 

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At 10k per year, I'd be looking for a nice 130i instead. They sound beautiful vs like a dumper-truck. Hard to beat that reliable, silky smooth straight six.
 

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At 10k per year, I'd be looking for a nice 130i instead. They sound beautiful vs like a dumper-truck. Hard to beat that reliable, silky smooth straight six.
This. Or if it's a coupe you really want look at 125i's - these share the same engine as the 130i albeit detuned. Easily sorted with a remap. I owned one for 3 years and arguably one of the best cars I've owned. No issues.
 

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I have had my 123d coupe since early 2012. It was only a few months old with 3k on the clock when I got it. Now its on 58k. I do roughly 80 miles a day on my commute (16k miles a year) and average about 45mpg on a tank full. I get about 520 miles out of a tank before I fill up and its not on empty when I do so. Driving style - my commute is about 5 miles of 30mph then 15 miles of nice bendy back roads where I give it some stick, then the rest is just cruising on dual carriageway at 70mph.

Personally I love the car, its been one of the best ive owned. It handles really well with the M-Sport suspension, but if theres more than 1 of you in the car then it can feel harsh. Performance wise, it took me a while to get used to it. I came straight from a 313hp Nissan 350z in which you could really wring out 1st & 2nd and it redlined at 7500rpm. With the 123d, as others have said, in a manual like mine, 1st is next to useless. You drop it in 2nd and you will find that 2nd, 3rd and especially 4th are fantastic. The car really pulls hard in 3rd and 4th which are great for overtaking. It has zero turbo lag and has instant power. Im not one to race other cars and very seldom try to race anyone, but you do occasionally get people having a go and its surprising how many hot hatches/sports etc dont stand a chance. And it does seem extra satisfying that you have left them behind in a diesel. This is actually the 4th or 5th diesel ive had and its nothing like a normal diesel to drive. The engine is very quiet, smooth and much more refined than any others ive had or driven.

Servicing on the cars is cheap & easy. Oil I find it expensive, but the actual service itself is an easy DIY job. Tyres, I replaced all of mine at 25k with OE Dunlop runflats which at the time the cheapest set I could find online came to over £900 fitted. 33k later and ive still not on the wear indicators, although I did do the camber pin mod before changing tyres which has helped with the front tyre wear. When I last checked the Dunlops were down to more like £500 a set, but i`ll probably swap them for something else next time.

Touchwood ive not had any problems at all. The car still looks like brand new with zero marks on the bodywork & alloys. The black boston leather interior still looks brand spanking new, except a few creaselines on the drivers seat from me getting in & out. TBH it looks like its just left the showroom after a wash.

Depreciation wise, judging from current prices & what I paid, i think ive probably lost £2500->£3000 a year on it, which is inline with what I estimated upon purchase. Insurance set me back about 300quid this year. So all in all a cracking car.

However..... if you are only doing 10k miles a year, like others have said, you need to weigh up if a 123d is for you. What i did is knock up a spreadsheet showing all the costs on a yearly basis. Insurance, Tax, MOT, Tyres, Servicing, Depeciation, plus cost of your fuel for 10k miles. Then you can see over 10 months if something like a 130i would be better value than a 123d.
 

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Think I'll knock myself a spreadsheet up give it a good think.
The performance plus good mpg is a big pull and i love diesel torque!

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If you like the drive and feel of a diesel which some people do including myself, then you won't go wrong with the 123d it's a great drive. I went to London on Tuesday approx 72 mph the whole way apart from the odd blip plus town traffic through to wembley and managaed 58mpg even when hammering over the weekends it only drops to 44 ish.

I think at the minute with petrol and diesel prices being exactly the same it's a good time for running costs
 

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I get about 420 miles on a full tank(E81) I'm on 93k 09 reg with not issues apart from a slight leaking rear shock. I've had a few diesel's over the years and the 123D engine has the best power band. The only thing that lets it down is a short top gear which effects mpg.
 

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The only thing that lets it down is a short top gear which effects mpg.
Thats very true, most of my driving is crusing at 70mph so a lower 6th gear would be much better. The 118d and 120d have a different final diff ratio (if i remember correctly) which improves mpg as a friend who had a 120d was getting high 50/low 60mpg out of his.

The 120d did have a "performance pack" available from BMW which was a bigger intercooler, different fan & a remap etc which bought it up to around the same power as a 123d, so that might something worth considering as an alternative. The 120d only had the 1 turbo though, so it would be a different drive to a 123d, but might be something to consider.
 
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