[OPOGTS]

Morning chaps

Having read all the reviews on here, i've bought some Eibachs in the hope of trying to try and improve the 'i'm about to spit you off the road' feeling the car gives when using all the power.

However, exchanged a few mails with Kevin @ Birds and he's sceptical of the Eibachs and is (obviously) pushing his own products. I'm going to head down there to have a proper chat with him - but just wonder if people have opinions on whether the Eibachs really will improve things (for relatively little money) or if i really need to go down the more expensive Birds route to really solve the issues?

I was kinda hoping spending £500 on the Eibachs, fitted with a geo would do the job - rather than £1.5k+ for a proper, full upgrade?

Welcome thoughts and opinions!

Cheers
RS

 

[Mike Roberts]

What Eibachs?

Clearly his matched springs & dampers will be better than just Eibach springs. A Bilstein/Eibach kit tougher to compare.

 

[br0wny]

£500?!?!

My h&r springs, fitting and Geo cost £345 all in

The eibachs with help. But obviously a proper spring and damper setup will help much much more.

Blind Pugh has lots of dealings with birds and doesn't sound the kind of guy that would push to sell his products so to speak.

 

[Blind Pugh]

Hi - yes I have Birds B1 springs and ARB's on my adaptive damped car [+ Quaife LSD and M4 LCAs]. Ticks all the boxes for me - happy, esp I had to reluctantly move away from H&R sport springs that were on before.

Others [Paul CS and Sustanon250 are both active participants on BB] have just eibach springs with adaptive are also v happy.

If you have standard /passive dampers then I recommend you go with upgraded springs with matched dampers as opposed to just springs alone.

 

[sunshinewelly]

I was recommended the blistein 12 pro set up by a number of people here

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performance/suspension-kits/bilstein-b12-pro-kit-suspension-kit

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[Sustanon250]

I have the Eibachs and love them , I'd go as far as saying with adaptive dampers the car handles beautifully for fast road use and occasional track use .

However , if you think the stock car feels like it's "about to spit you off the road" then I doubt a spring change alone will satisfy you (imho); Bilstein B16 dampers , ARB's and a good geo surely is the way forward for you ?

 

[Mr Mustard]

Non sure if you have adaptive or passive. Had Eibach Pro kit fitted to my passive 235, £375 supply, fit & geo from AMD Thurrock.

Although it's an improvement and the stance looks better, I'm still not happy with it. I think the problem is the dampers not the springs , or more likely a mis match between the two.

Members have reported good things with a 135 + adaptive + Eibach Pro kit, but on a 235 with passive I wouldn't recommend.

 

[Mike Roberts]

235i springs are stiffer than Eibachs, you could well be bouncing around on the bump-stops. You've made a booboo there.

 

[br0wny]

I have the Eibachs and love them , I'd go as far as saying with adaptive dampers the car handles beautifully for fast road use and occasional track use .

However , if you think the stock car feels like it's "about to spit you off the road" then I doubt a spring change alone will satisfy you (imho); Bilstein B16 dampers , ARB's and a good geo surely is the way forward for you ?

B8 dampers.

The B16 is the future adjustable coilover kit

 

[Blind Pugh]

Need to be mindful when upgrading ARB's given the stock rear setup is stiff springs and soft ARB so as rear wheel travel is still OK and stock open diff still works, even if you are driving god.

If you add a stiffer ARB to the rear with already stiff stock springs you reduce wheel travel and rear inside wheel may lift during cornering. RWD, open diff - not great if for the driving gods amongst us.

I chose to upgrade springs/ARB's and diff together as I felt

1. the front understeered too much and lacked 'feel';
2. the car rolled like a 2CV;
3. the rear felt "loose" or skittish at anything approaching 6/10th +
4. TC light would mean DME cutting power and e-diff applying brakes to whichever wheel needed reigning in.
5. the 4 x 4 stance didn't excite me much either.

ARB's fixed the understeer, roll and added some feel to the helm

Springs - fixed the looks and the skittishness without killing the ride and latterly, the B1 springs, work better with OE adaptive than my H&R sport springs that were on before

Diff - QLSD - transforms the car in terms of tractability and being able to drive the car from apex outwards.

In addition , I swapped out 436m alloys to wider offset 397 alloys with OE MPSS and upgraded front lower control arms [LCAs] to M3/M4 spec items which add camber/castor - the latter saves the softer shoulders of PSS tyres and adds more feel and bite to the front.

I have a car that now rides well, handles great for DD and on occasional trackdays and still has impeccable road manners.

 

[pitbull666]

Sorry to go slightly OT but guys with Eibachs can you confirm these are correct?

Part number checks out but my last two sets came in a different box (fancy design and not a plain red example like these)

http://s834.photobucket.com/user/pi...E38B6FA8-2647-4CF0-AC7E-F6E0DFCF78E3.jpg.html

 

[rob180bhp]

Don't get confused with birds and bilstiens

Heading should read
" eibach vs birds vs bilstien "

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[rob180bhp]

Eibach pro for me on a stock car was for too low
Bilstiens are great and sone nice deals available front eBay. De

Poeple rate birds highly but for me I can't justify there price for a modified bilstien when the bilstiens are great anyway

Roll bars front and rear make a huge difference even with out an lsd, maybe flat out at a hairpin on a track then you might lift a wheel but for 99. O% of the driving you will do be fine

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[OPOGTS]

What Eibachs?

Clearly his matched springs & dampers will be better than just Eibach springs. A Bilstein/Eibach kit tougher to compare.

Just the Eibach Pro springs. Seem good value for money from what i've read on there, just wondering if i really should be spending more to get a more complete kit!

 

[OPOGTS]

I have the Eibachs and love them , I'd go as far as saying with adaptive dampers the car handles beautifully for fast road use and occasional track use .

However , if you think the stock car feels like it's "about to spit you off the road" then I doubt a spring change alone will satisfy you (imho); Bilstein B16 dampers , ARB's and a good geo surely is the way forward for you ?

I have the adaptive dampers too.

I think i'll give these Eibachs a go in the first instance as i've already got the parts and may as well see what i think before spending more. And only really read good reviews on here on the whole - I think it might have been you who said it bought the car closer to your M3 CSL in feel?? If i can get something akin to my old e46 M3 then i'd be quite happy.

I suppose i can always upgrade later!

Cheers
RS

 

[OPOGTS]

Sorry to go slightly OT but guys with Eibachs can you confirm these are correct?

Part number checks out but my last two sets came in a different box (fancy design and not a plain red example like these)

http://s834.photobucket.com/user/pi...E38B6FA8-2647-4CF0-AC7E-F6E0DFCF78E3.jpg.html

Mine are the same.... although that could mean we've both got the wrong ones

 

[br0wny]

No way will eibachs alone make it feel anything like an m3 nevermind an m3 CSL. IMO of course.

 

[OPOGTS]

No way will eibachs alone make it feel anything like an m3 nevermind an m3 CSL. IMO of course.

I'm inclined to totally agree to be honest (!) but doesn't hurt to see what difference it does make before getting out the big cheque book!

 

[Element]

Sorry to go slightly OT but guys with Eibachs can you confirm these are correct?

Part number checks out but my last two sets came in a different box (fancy design and not a plain red example like these)

http://s834.photobucket.com/user/pi...E38B6FA8-2647-4CF0-AC7E-F6E0DFCF78E3.jpg.html

Mine are the same.... although that could mean we've both got the wrong ones

If it is then all 3 of us have got the wrong ones

 

[pitbull666]

Sorry to go slightly OT but guys with Eibachs can you confirm these are correct?

Part number checks out but my last two sets came in a different box (fancy design and not a plain red example like these)

http://s834.photobucket.com/user/pi...E38B6FA8-2647-4CF0-AC7E-F6E0DFCF78E3.jpg.html

Mine are the same.... although that could mean we've both got the wrong ones

If it is then all 3 of us have got the wrong ones

Yeah didn't think they would be wrong Eibach must of simplified the packaging design.

Now to get them fitted and roll on better weather for the summer wheels