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E9x M3 front Lower Control Arms + Powerflex Yellow rear subframe inserts - a review

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After two weeks of running around in city driving and some fast road driving, I felt that I should write a short review about the current setup. My E87 is currently on stock M-Sport springs + dampers + bumpstops, Michelin Pilot Super Sports XL tyres (225/40/18 fronts, 245/35/18 rears), TRW JTC 1426 + 1427 (E9x M3 front LCAs) and Powerflex Yellow rear subframe inserts (front and rear - PFR5-419 + PFR5-423). The car is on 33k miles.

Before starting off, I must emphasize the fact that the MPSS tyres add to the "harsh" ride of the stock M-sport suspension setup. They are also quite noisy and I don't think I'd have gone for them if I lived somewhere where I had long commuting distances. On the plus side, they offer unrivalled dry grip, reportedly over any other tyre out there according to reviews, and the steering has become alive after ditching my old Dunlop Sport SP9000 non-XL tyres. I did notice that they're a bit snappy on the limit, not as progressive as I thought they'd be, but since their limits are so high, I guess that can be forgiven. Just don't expect miracles and expect them to behave when you're placing down all your power abruptly mid-way in a turn. These are the tyres to go for if you want a no-compromise performance road set-up. If you value MPG and less noise, then look elsewhere.

Right, let's start with the M3 LCAs:

Pros -
1. As most others have stated before me, turn-in grip is very much improved. The car won't try pulling back to a straight line when negotiating a sharp turn - it will grip and go, simple as that. This is all due to the increase in negative camber, which together with the camber pin mod, means you'll have around 1 degree negative camber. I think this is just right for a daily driver.
2. Better steering feel - this is a bit subjective. The steering is a notch heavier and I prefer it this way, while others might prefer a lighter steering. I personally think this is how the steering should have been right out of the factory, it's in no way intrusive mind you - just a bit more heft to it.
3. More steering accuracy - a slight twitch of the steering and it responds straight away. Lane-switching is a quicker affair now, and it lends to the overall sportier feel of the car

Cons -
1. More steering accuracy - yes, this is also a con unfortunately. It means that you'll just need that tiny bit more concentration if you're dozing off on the steering wheel as a slight twitch means that you're going to pull slightly to the left or to the right.
2. Camber-chasing - this is not a good mod to have if you live somewhere where the roads are akin to the Pyramid surfaces. If a road leans to either side, you will notice straight away as the steering will veer towards that direction. The first time it happened I was quite alarmed to tell you the truth!

Poweflex subframe inserts:

Pros -
1. A more settled rear. It didn't get completely rid of that "double dip" which the 1-series cars are renowned for due to the lighter rear, but it did help. At the very least, it settles much more quickly when going fast over a slight dip in the road.
2. "Tightened up" feel - the rear end doesn't feel vague anymore. It's in cohesion with the front end, and it's a must if you plan on installing the front M3 LCAs otherwise you'll risk ending up with an unbalanced car.

Cons -
1. NVH - it has increased a bit, a bit more than what I was expecting tbh. I don't mind it but it might not be everyone's cup of tea if you're seeking a quiet ride.
2. Value for money - I honestly think that compared to what other mods have contributed to the feel of the car, Powerflex Yellow inserts are a smidge over-priced. Don't get me wrong - they're a worthwhile mod, but I wonder if the Whiteline equivalents represent better value really.

To cap it off - the M3 LCAs get a big thumbs up from me, but only if you want a more focused feel for the car. If you just want a leisurely run-about with an emphasis on comfort, don't install them... but I guess you'd have bought a 3-series or 5-series if you prioritise those!

The Powerflex inserts are, ironically, a minor disappointment. They have changed the feel of the car for the better, but after reading rave reviews about how these transform the car, I was a bit nonplussed. They complement the LCAs perfectly, but they don't make as much of a difference as the LCAs.

Hope this helps people out there who are on the fence on whether to have these mods done or not. I'd say go for it. They didn't give me back a new car, but they did improve matters in areas which were important for me, mainly a sportier feel and more accuracy. Now, if you want a transforming mod, get a remap done (depending on the car) :cool2:
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You sure it's the rear subframe inserts causing the Nvh?

I'm sure the front control arms increase Nvh, I did both and am sure it's coming from the front end. Easily worth the sharper turn in and steering response, mind.
mauricegb said:
You sure it's the rear subframe inserts causing the Nvh?

I'm sure the front control arms increase Nvh, I did both and am sure it's coming from the front end. Easily worth the sharper turn in and steering response, mind.
You might be right, I think that's the major disadvantage of doing both mods at once - can't individuate where the NVH is coming from. I do know that the cabin rattles just that slight bit now (it didn't use to before). I'll try and see the issue carefully this upcoming week and see whether it indeed is increased up front
If you're not happy with the NVH from the inserts, you can remove them very easily and sell them? They'll always fetch fair money on here.

Or remove just the top halves for an inbetween effect?

Whiteline are slightly firmer, so I wouldn't recommend those if you're finding the yellow shore too harsh.
I took the m3 tension arms off because they were to harsh for me.
Interesting review thanks for posting it, not sure if you have fitted both the tension arm (front most one) and the camber control arm ? (which is like lower wishbone to the outer ball joint), ive spoken to a few people that have fitted the M3 tension arms on 1 and 3 series cars and most have said they increase the NVH quite a lot due to the much firmer inner bush and a good few have removed them due to this as Mark above, ive got some along with the lower camber control arm but i wont be fitting the tension arm i dont think based on what ive been told, apparently there is another option with is a 3rd party uprated/HD tension arm available which falls inbetween the 2 giving the increased lateral control that the M3 arms gives but without the harshness.

Ive also got the Whiteline rear subframe inserts to fit at some point and intrigued with how they change things, again ive read mixed reports and its such a personal thing its hard to know without trying it yourself i guess.

Ian
marco_polo said:
If you're not happy with the NVH from the inserts, you can remove them very easily and sell them? They'll always fetch fair money on here.

Or remove just the top halves for an inbetween effect?

Whiteline are slightly firmer, so I wouldn't recommend those if you're finding the yellow shore too harsh.
I can live with the extra NVH, it's worth it for the extra "poise" you get. I'm definitely happy that I didn't go for the Whiteline inserts, they'd have been too firm for me.

THETYRANT said:
Interesting review thanks for posting it, not sure if you have fitted both the tension arm (front most one) and the camber control arm ? (which is like lower wishbone to the outer ball joint), ive spoken to a few people that have fitted the M3 tension arms on 1 and 3 series cars and most have said they increase the NVH quite a lot due to the much firmer inner bush and a good few have removed them due to this as Mark above, ive got some along with the lower camber control arm but i wont be fitting the tension arm i dont think based on what ive been told, apparently there is another option with is a 3rd party uprated/HD tension arm available which falls inbetween the 2 giving the increased lateral control that the M3 arms gives but without the harshness.

Ive also got the Whiteline rear subframe inserts to fit at some point and intrigued with how they change things, again ive read mixed reports and its such a personal thing its hard to know without trying it yourself i guess.

Ian
No I haven't fitted the tension arms. I don't think they make much of a difference, certainly not as much as the LCAs. I honestly wasn't expecting the LCAs to increase NVH by such a degree, I went for a long-ish drive today (1 hour) and it does seem that the increased NVH I'm perceiving is from the front rather than the rear, so the Powerflex inserts shouldn't be taking all the blame. That being said, it's such a negligible disadvantage compared to the improved handling which you get in return. I can't think of how it would handle on a track, think it's a must for track-work.

Having read your thread I don't think you should go for the Whiteline subframe inserts, seeing as how you're seeking the perfect mix between comfort and handling. I'd go for the Powerflex inserts instead seeing as they're a touch softer than the Whiteline ones
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I have purple powerflex bushes in my tension arms, I just don't like the split bush design that bmw uses

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jgalea324 said:
No I haven't fitted the tension arms. I don't think they make much of a difference, certainly not as much as the LCAs. I honestly wasn't expecting the LCAs to increase NVH by such a degree, I went for a long-ish drive today (1 hour) and it does seem that the increased NVH I'm perceiving is from the front rather than the rear, so the Powerflex inserts shouldn't be taking all the blame. That being said, it's such a negligible disadvantage compared to the improved handling which you get in return. I can't think of how it would handle on a track, think it's a must for track-work.

Having read your thread I don't think you should go for the Whiteline subframe inserts, seeing as how you're seeking the perfect mix between comfort and handling. I'd go for the Powerflex inserts instead seeing as they're a touch softer than the Whiteline ones
Hmm strange Ive not heard of the LCA arms on there own giving a noticeable amount of NVH but I guess I will find out when I fit mine!....Im about ready now just need to make sure my trackrods are ok and not seized to adjust toe once fitted.
M3 Tension arms or rebush apparently make a a big difference in controlling the wheel moving forward and backwards under hard braking, not really a big issue on road for most mind and even though i go on track im not sure it bothers me on stock setup, i am used to older cars were everything moves a bit more and you drive around it so maybe that's why.

On subframe inserts it is a concern for me regarding NVH but again i guess trying them is only way to know and its not too big a job so will do them at some point.

Ian
THETYRANT said:
jgalea324 said:
No I haven't fitted the tension arms. I don't think they make much of a difference, certainly not as much as the LCAs. I honestly wasn't expecting the LCAs to increase NVH by such a degree, I went for a long-ish drive today (1 hour) and it does seem that the increased NVH I'm perceiving is from the front rather than the rear, so the Powerflex inserts shouldn't be taking all the blame. That being said, it's such a negligible disadvantage compared to the improved handling which you get in return. I can't think of how it would handle on a track, think it's a must for track-work.

Having read your thread I don't think you should go for the Whiteline subframe inserts, seeing as how you're seeking the perfect mix between comfort and handling. I'd go for the Powerflex inserts instead seeing as they're a touch softer than the Whiteline ones
Hmm strange Ive not heard of the LCA arms on there own giving a noticeable amount of NVH but I guess I will find out when I fit mine!....Im about ready now just need to make sure my trackrods are ok and not seized to adjust toe once fitted.
M3 Tension arms or rebush apparently make a a big difference in controlling the wheel moving forward and backwards under hard braking, not really a big issue on road for most mind and even though i go on track im not sure it bothers me on stock setup, i am used to older cars were everything moves a bit more and you drive around it so maybe that's why.

On subframe inserts it is a concern for me regarding NVH but again i guess trying them is only way to know and its not too big a job so will do them at some point.

Ian
You being a track person will notice the difference with the rebushed tension arms
Combined with m3 lca and m3 rack my steering is just perfect probably, the feedback just inspires you to drive

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Lower control arms don't make NVH any worse at all , you sure something isn't wrong ?
The inserts give a tiny little diff whine sort of noise at say 47mph in 3rd gear but really it's not something noticeable, try owning a e46 m3 the whole drive train feels like it's about to fall out ! Which is apparently normal.
markhurley said:
Lower control arms don't make NVH any worse at all , you sure something isn't wrong ?
The inserts give a tiny little diff whine sort of noise at say 47mph in 3rd gear but really it's not something noticeable, try owning a e46 m3 the whole drive train feels like it's about to fall out ! Which is apparently normal.
:lol2: Yep, I questioned this in a friend's e46 M3 and was told "It's 'M Clunk', they all do that"! :lol2:

Also, from my own experience of M3 LCAs and Whiteline inserts, i'd agree with Mark. Zero NVH from the LCAs but there is a definite 'drone/hum' of sorts at 50mph that i'm (almost) certain is caused by the inserts.
My old e46 had the M clunk

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That's one of the reasons I sold my m3 the clunk used to grate me !
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