[GeorgeM135i]

So, I am looking to go for full M car and pay a bit less monthly that what i currently pay.

Current car:
M135i F21 15 reg lots of extras
£500 p/m

M3 I want
E92 M3 09-11 plate with comp pack, m performance pack, tech pack and speaker pack ( if they do pan roof that may be a requirement aswell)
Target £300-£400 p/m

Basically my question is, has anyone here either gone from an e92 to and M135i or gone the other way?
Is the 7 speed DCT in the m3 anything like the 8 Speed DCT in the m135i
which is more fun to drive? (honestly without being biased to the 1er)

Am i making a mistake? I find the m135i really fun to drive but its anoying that it lacks a LSD (i know the LCI shape now has that).

Thanks guys

 

[Jk911]

M135i is a zf auto not dct, also the lci doesn't have an lsd as standard.

I've driven a few e92 m3's the manual is too much hard work as the engine just doesn't make any power in the low rev range.

The dct makes the v8 much easier to live with as it shifts so fast it makes the engine feel more tractable.

Low end grunt the m135i has it but above 100mph I'd give it to the m3.

Another thing to factor into this is the added running costs of the e92 will cancel out the monthly savings on payments so won't work out any cheaper in the long run.

I would only swap my m135i for an e92 m3 if that was the car I wanted, but personally for everyday use the m lite wins hands down.

Good luck with whatever you choose!

 

[THETYRANT]

Get a good long drive in one before you go any further thinking about it, ive looked at them a few times but the serious lack of torque makes them a chore unless ragging them hard as mentioned above, also 20mpg at best puts me off!, still keep looking though as lovely cars and the sound with a nice exhaust is to die for!

Ian

 

[GeorgeM135i]

Ye, I just mean withthe LCI you can have the optional LSD didnt think it was an option on PRe-lci?

Will the 7 Speed DTC not be any better fuel economy? surely it isnt a massive amount different to the M135i? mine does 25mpgs the m3 says 17-22mpg? (or is this if you are granny driving?)

The tax and fuel difference may be dearer on the m3 but it cant be enough to offset the costs of depreciated on my m135i to an already depreciated m3?

I cant see the M3 e92 (with it being the last V8 m3) depreciating massively from 20k? An 11 plate M3 with comp, m performance and tech pack is 20k-24k a 08 plate one 3 years older is still 18-20k?

My M135i stood me at £39k (dropped to 32k with my deposit and bmw customer contribution)

Looking on autotrader it is now worth £24-26k
2 years old 22-24k
3 years old 18-20k

So By the time ive paid 36 * 500 = 18k off the original price it has lost 10-12k of that?

The m3 on the other hand after the first 6-8months I will probably be in positive equity?

Also as i forgot to mention the reason i want to lower my monthly costs slightly is because I am trying to get a mortgage so by freeing up that £130-£180 per month of bills, to the bank it looks as if I have abit more "spare" money towards mortgage payments?

Whether i then sink more than £180 into fuel and tax doesnt matter because they wont have a copy of this on there system to check?

 

[THETYRANT]

You can put the LSD in any 1series so if thats your main concern thats easy fixed for a couple of grand either Quaife of Drexler from BMW, depreciation though youve born the brunt of it already and prices seem fairly static from that ive seem when looking at m135 last year, your right on the M3 though right spec, colour and mileage and it wont be loosing any value...maybe even go up but that could be a long way off.

I spoke to a lot of E9x M3 owners regards mpg and they all said getting over 20mpg is difficult and needs to be long steady motorway run etc, typically 12-15mpg for normal driving and 18mpg was most than many got!....all about feeding that big V8 i guess!

Your M135 will do 40mpg on steday run which is impressive for the performance available i think, if your getting only 25mpg then i would say M3 would be nearly single figures for same usage....all depends on mileage i guess if thats a factor but your going to be using at least double the amount of fuel if thats an issue for you.

 

[Dajonah]

I think you'd find it difficult to find an 11plate m3 with dct and comp pack for £20k or even £24k unless it's got loads of miles on it and a cat d.
I find them over priced personally compared their cost when new. Artificially so, it's a massed produced car after all and I believe there will be a price correction at some point. Test drived a 500ltd edition a couple of years back but it didn't do anything for me. It was that don't meet your hero moment.

 

[Jk911]

I do agree with some of the above!

After 3 years with my e46 m3 ( and a few mods) I went to test drive the e92 m3 expecting much of the same.

I was shocked how ordinary it felt compared to the 46, the engine felt lazy until you were past 5500rpm which in third gear was approaching 100mph.

It just didn't feel special like the 46, I even preferred the sound of the 46 ( although the mine had a full larini exhaust and carbon air box).

The 92 was a bit of a disappointment to be honest, which is why I went with a 997 c2.

 

[rob180bhp]

I have to agree with the above the e46 was special the e92 is very much ordinary and just a 3 series the e46 was a bit more bespoke

And times have moved on allready we are in a bmw turbo era the e92 m3 is a sitting duck now and very little scope for tuning

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[nickfrog]

I think the main issue is paying £500/month for a humble M135i. I am banking on half that in depreciation / month. Which would free up cash for LSD and LCAs.

 

[GeorgeM135i]

This is exactly why i love this forum! so many valid points,

To be honest I think im just being a bit childish and wanting a change after having mine a year now haha!

I will probably keep mine until the current M3 drops to around 30k hopefully by which point mine will have some equity in, I could of paid £420p/m but i preferred a slightly higher repayment as I wanted to get equity in it soon as possible, although buying brand new the first 12-16months it does depreciate. After having a proper look into the interior I prefer the m135i's its more update and when compared to the current M3 its completely inferior.

Just for info: You can pick up an e92 M3 25-26k with Comp, M performance and Tech pack with 40-50k on the clock, which for a 4Litre V8 cant be a patch on it? But I do 100 miles a day and regularly drive to holland so maybe the difference in fuel and tax prices would cut the equity down quite a bit.

Hopefully another 6-12months in my M135i and I should have a few grand sat in that.

Regards

 

[rydale13]

Ok so here's my thoughts. (You may have already considered this and decided against it)

M235i on a new agreement. From new easily under £500pm I'd have thought? Of course, I'm not considering any negative equity from your M135i.

Then with the M235i bolt on:

LSD
JB4
Aftermarket exhaust
Manual (better to live with than the manual M3)
No M tax as I like to call it (hugely inflated parts and servicing costs)
Better fuel consumption than the M3?

Or bolt all of the above to your M135i and in the real world, it will be quicker than an M3 and far easier to live with.

PS: In regards to your mortgage application, they'll ask for bank statements. So they'll quite easily be able to see all of your fixed outgoings in including fuel

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[GeorgeM135i]

I run a limited company so not to sure if they will do that as its a contracting agency, up to now they have asked for Tax returns? Which as I work through an umbrella company they have taken my generated payslips instead?

Also, I dont like the idea of JB4 incase anything breaks as I would need the warranty to cover it dont want to be paying £10,000 on a new engine haha.

I do like the look of mine now but I feel its just missing that full M car feel, the sound of that roaring v8 out of those quad battlepipes. I think as much as its a big improvement on economy and performance that utter power and sound of a v8 is something else.

The main thing i need to do is test drive one i think

Regards

 

[RearDriver23]

I run a limited company so not to sure if they will do that as its a contracting agency, up to now they have asked for Tax returns? Which as I work through an umbrella company they have taken my generated payslips instead?

Also, I dont like the idea of JB4 incase anything breaks as I would need the warranty to cover it dont want to be paying £10,000 on a new engine haha.

I do like the look of mine now but I feel its just missing that full M car feel, the sound of that roaring v8 out of those quad battlepipes. I think as much as its a big improvement on economy and performance that utter power and sound of a v8 is something else.

The main thing i need to do is test drive one i think

Regards

V8 M3 is a great car and all but for V8 sound and performance too, the w204 C63 AMG blows it away mate.

Spades more torque a bit more horsepower and is noticeably faster when under acceleration. Yes the M3 will be the better handling car and outperform the AMG on a track/twisty roads but for pure aural pleasure and sheer performance, C63 AMG all day long.

 

[GeorgeM135i]

See i love c63s and have always wante dthe cls63 but the tax is more than double the price on the m3 and the devulation on the c63s seems to be silly.

 

[RearDriver23]

See i love c63s and have always wante dthe cls63 but the tax is more than double the price on the m3 and the devulation on the c63s seems to be silly.

tax surely £505 per year for both? c63 amg more than holds its own against the m3 for depreciation, cls63amg obviously depreciate more as it was more expensive in the first place.

 

[GeorgeM135i]

Last time i was in merc (used to have a CLA) there was a c63 tax was £1100? unless thats the first year?

Regards

 

[RearDriver23]

Last time i was in merc (used to have a CLA) there was a c63 tax was £1100? unless thats the first year?

Regards

first year yes.

 

[Dajonah]

Just for info: You can pick up an e92 M3 25-26k with Comp, M performance and Tech pack with 40-50k on the clock, which for a 4Litre V8 cant be a patch on it? But I do 100 miles a day and regularly drive to holland so maybe the difference in fuel and tax prices would cut the equity down quite a bit.

Regards

That's not 20-24k though. Cheapest one I can see on autotrader with comp pack and less than 50k on the clock is a 10 and 11 plate both up at £27995. Comp pack was a £3k+ option that includes 10mm drop, csl style wheels etc and seem to command a premium over standard m3's.
Never heard of m performance and tech pack either but someone correct me. Sure you can buy m performance parts like the rest of us. No panaramic roof either, carbon fibre only, never seen a uk one without.(some countries offered the choice of sunroof or carbon)unless you're after an e90 which didn't come with one. I'd read up on them a bit more if you're serious about one.
Unless your in another country and get these specs.
Best of luck.

 

[GeorgeM135i]

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.0-Lim...744871-605505603-3497091.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re

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well i finally have gone and done it!

although i didnt get one with a competition pack im pretty happy with this one.

GO to see the beast in person tomorrow and sign all relevant docs cant waittttt.

I crashed my m135i and have been reduced to a class a courtesy (ford fiesta) for 4 weeks now. Its safe to say it feels broke its that underpower.

What do you guys think of the m3?

 

[Jiggaman]

That's a beauty mate, congratulations.

I went and had a look at an 09 M3 today - just for a look.

Lovely car but when I saw the obc was showing an average 8.6mpg I remembered I really can't afford to run one.