[KenC]

This week I have become aware of two people who have secured a 2016 build slot for an M2. This is around 3 months after the books opened and with very limited supply for 2016. It was recently very difficult if not impossible to get a 2016 build slot. So the implication is that there are already cancelled orders.

This is before the first test drive, before anyone (with the odd exception) has seen the car in the metal. There is lots if noise about the M3/4 being better value when discounted, the M2 lacking usual M differentiators (seats, mirrors etc), poor colour choice and little difference in size and weight.

Originally I had a deposit on a 2017 car but have this week found a 2016 slot at another dealer within the same group.

I have to admit that my initial thoughts on popularity have taken a severe dent in confidence and wondered if this was a common feeling or not.

 

[sawda]

I wouldn't worry about it.... From everything I've read and seen the m235i is brilliant, the m2 will be epic. The only thing I'm worried about is how to spec it... Keep changing my mind even when there is not much choice to begin with!!! If you got a build slot sounds like you are lucky.... I've just been given a delivery date of mid November.

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[KenC]

I'm not worried. It was meant to generate discussion.

 

[marco_polo]

It's not a car I'd consider myself. The 235 is too good, (and as you say) M3 too close in price once discounted.

I'm not mad on the M2, cheap plastic front wing trims, weird handlebar moustache front bumper, and why didn't they bother with much weight saving?

A near miss for me, and a missed opportunity for BMW, imo.

 

[mofomat]

It's not a car I'd consider myself. The 235 is too good, (and as you say) M3 too close in price once discounted.

I'm not mad on the M2, cheap plastic front wing trims, weird handlebar moustache front bumper, and why didn't they bother with much weight saving?

A near miss for me, and a missed opportunity for BMW, imo.

This has been done to death. They DID bother with weight saving. It has less sound deadening, for example. But exotic materials like carbon roofs and prop shafts, and boot lids, cost money. If they'd included those then it would have been the same price, if not more (built in lower numbers) as the M4.

 

[marco_polo]

It's not a car I'd consider myself. The 235 is too good, (and as you say) M3 too close in price once discounted.

I'm not mad on the M2, cheap plastic front wing trims, weird handlebar moustache front bumper, and why didn't they bother with much weight saving?

A near miss for me, and a missed opportunity for BMW, imo.

This has been done to death. They DID bother with weight saving. It has less sound deadening, for example. But exotic materials like carbon roofs and prop shafts, and boot lids, cost money. If they'd included those then it would have been the same price, if not more (built in lower numbers) as the M4.

The Op asked for people's feelings on the M2, and I gave mine. Why are you trying to start yet another argument on here??

 

[mofomat]

It's not a car I'd consider myself. The 235 is too good, (and as you say) M3 too close in price once discounted.

I'm not mad on the M2, cheap plastic front wing trims, weird handlebar moustache front bumper, and why didn't they bother with much weight saving?

A near miss for me, and a missed opportunity for BMW, imo.

This has been done to death. They DID bother with weight saving. It has less sound deadening, for example. But exotic materials like carbon roofs and prop shafts, and boot lids, cost money. If they'd included those then it would have been the same price, if not more (built in lower numbers) as the M4.

The Op asked for people's feelings on the M2, and I gave mine. Why are you trying to start yet another argument on here??

I'm not trying to start an argument. You asked "Why didn't they bother with much weight saving?" I answered your question. Exotic weight saving measures cost money, and they can get away with that on the M3 and M4 because they have a higher selling price (and the discounts are just not there in the rest of the world like they are in the UK), and they're built in higher numbers.

You can't pick and choose who answers you on a forum. I wasn't abusive and I wasn't trying to start an argument. And yes, it HAS been done to death, just like why it has standard mirrors.

 

[Kerr]

It's a lot of money to be spending if you're not fully convinced.

I find it impossible to buy a car without trying first. There's been so many cars over the years I've wanted to like, but then just didn't click with. It can sometimes just be silly things that you couldn't forsee, or something that just doesn't sit right.

It's a risk, but it could turn out to be an amazing car. It's going to be a good step up from the M235i, so I guess if you're happy with one of them, you'd be delighted with the M2. On paper the M4 does look so much more car if you're getting the same kind of deals.

I couldn't choose the M2 over the M4 if the cost of ownership was going to be the same. People do appear to be hoping the M2 will hold values like the 1M, but that's just guessing again.

The other issue since the 1M was released, there's now more choice than ever. There's so many 300+bhp cars to choose from now, and most of them have their own qualities.

 

[sawda]

I think the m2 is an alternative to the m4 and m3 that are more common. I'm looking for a fun car and its size is one of its biggest a appeals for me.

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[Kerr]

It's hardly as if the M3/4 is a common car.

I'm not sure I'd say it is a direct alternative on paper, it's a step up in class.

 

[Spot the cat]

Coming from a left-field pov you might argue that BMW have done well to keep the weight of the M2 where it is considering they havn't resorted to the use of exotic materials,unlike the M4.

More wriggle room if they bring out a CSL version in the future maybe...

 

[Steven1077]

I can't see a single reason to buy an M2 at the moment, it's almost the same size and weight as an M4 with less power, and unless you get one with no options the price difference won't be huge after discounts, this is possibly the reason people have cancelled the M2, I totally agree that it was a missed opportunity by BMW, you can argue all you like about them not being able to make it a better car because it would have been too expensive, but I'd have bought one even at the same price as an M4 if it had the same spec as an M4 in a smaller package with the same options, for me the M2 is just not worth it, I'd even saved a deposit for an M2 which I put on an M235i in the end

 

[mofomat]

I remember exactly the same comments being made in 2011 when the 1M was launched.

 

[z3lai]

it happens all the time, old model fans bashing the new model.....and vice versa

 

[Kerr]

Nobody has been bashing the M2 though.

It seems most people like it, but it falls short on a few things and doesn't look like good value against the M4.

It doesn't read as bashing to me, just making a fair assessment.

I'm not reading anyone state they hate it, it'll be a rotten car and so on.

 

[mofomat]

I think it's perfectly understandable for people to question the M2 on paper. Knowing the discounts available on the M3/M4 it seems expensive in comparison. Add to that the lack of what people perceive to be "M" signature items like a CFRP roof and different mirrors, then I can see why people MAY think "meh".

However, the 1M has the same issues. In fact, the N54 engine was just lifted straight from the Z4 35iS, without any tweaks whatsoever. That was subsequently regarded as one of the greatest M cars in a long time.

Whilst there will be more M2s built than the 1M, I do think the price difference between the M3/M4 will be made up by the fact that the M2 will have stronger residuals. The M2 will still be limited in production, albeit not capped.

I'm swaying more towards the M2 now as opposed to an M4.

All will become clearer on February 12th when the road tests take place. Laguna Seca is a location being used, but I'm not sure if that's just for the North American market or the global press drives.

 

[hampshire]

I am shocked people would want a 2016 car apart from the kudos of being one of the first, the 2017 changes will lift the car and be in more demand surely.

 

[sawda]

I remember exactly the same comments being made in 2011 when the 1M was launched.

Mofomat you constantly hit the nail on the head... Your absolutely correct! I was reading old reviews and comments from 2010/11 for the 1m and people were hating the car and especially its looks. I was even reading you tube comments where people were saying that they felt sorry for the idiot who bought one!! And it wasn't just one or two people saying that. I could of bought an m4 easily, my budget for the car was a lot higher too, but I'm still dead excited about the m2, I'm buying purely for fun.

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[sawda]

I think it's perfectly understandable for people to question the M2 on paper. Knowing the discounts available on the M3/M4 it seems expensive in comparison. Add to that the lack of what people perceive to be "M" signature items like a CFRP roof and different mirrors, then I can see why people MAY think "meh".

However, the 1M has the same issues. In fact, the N54 engine was just lifted straight from the Z4 35iS, without any tweaks whatsoever. That was subsequently regarded as one of the greatest M cars in a long time.

Whilst there will be more M2s built than the 1M, I do think the price difference between the M3/M4 will be made up by the fact that the M2 will have stronger residuals. The M2 will still be limited in production, albeit not capped.

I'm swaying more towards the M2 now as opposed to an M4.

All will become clearer on February 12th when the road tests take place. Laguna Seca is a location being used, but I'm not sure if that's just for the North American market or the global press drives.

Again well said

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[KenC]

I am shocked people would want a 2016 car apart from the kudos of being one of the first, the 2017 changes will lift the car and be in more demand surely.

What 2017 changes?

In any case, when I was waiting for a 2017 car I was second at my dealer for that year. I would not have known when it would be built in 2017 until around November and the build date could have been as late as December making meaning the car could be nearly 2 years away.