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Taking advice about the driving dynamics is great, but the only opinion that matters is yours, so you really do need to find a way of getting some seat time to see if he M140 lives up to your aspirations. Don't worry about wasting a dealers time if you aren't going to buy for several months - it's all part of the job and they'll happily ring every penny out of you they can!

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Would love to do some handling mods and make the car safer (LSD etc), but the only deterrent is a bump in insurance premium, which will hopefully be where the specialist insurers come in.
The LSD didn’t cost me anything to add to my policy, it’s the M Performance diff and fitted by BMW, so they classed it as optional extra. Might be worth speaking to an insurer ahead of time to clarify.
 

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The LSD didn’t cost me anything to add to my policy, it’s the M Performance diff and fitted by BMW, so they classed it as optional extra. Might be worth speaking to an insurer ahead of time to clarify.
That is EXTREMELY handy to know, thank you. If an LSD is as necessary as people say, then this may have to be a guaranteed addition
 

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Just some background re the LSD: If you ever go for BMW Extended Warranty (which I did and which I've also claimed on successfully) then the BMW M Performance LSD is the only one they'll cover and it has to be retro-fitted by a BMW dealer. The EW is voided (or they will refuse cover) if you fit (fitted) a non-M Performance part and/or have it fitted by an independent. You may not be considering EW but just be aware.
 

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I bought my M140i at the age of 22, almost 4 years ago, insurance was £1000 with 1 fault accident a couple of years NCB. £1000 deposit, £364 a month, 14.2k balloon payment (PCP deal).
I was commuting just shy of 50 miles a day in it and it was great, will eat up miles for fun at relatively good mpg. I spec’d mine with pro nav, heated seats, front pdc and adaptive suspension along with standard shadow edition spec. Heated steering wheel would also be nice in the winter months.
When covid/lockdown hit in March 2020, I started to modify it. H&R Lowering springs, F80 lca’s and torsion struts, underbody brace and xhp were the first modifications. At stock power with these changes, the car was very good, loads of useable power. I chose to modify it as I was working from home and my mileage dropped from 14k a year to 4-5k.
I then went on to stage 2, stage 2+ and now stage 3 (pure800) & dorch stage 2 hpfp, which have been on the car for 9 months & circa 4000 miles. In the 26k miles I’ve covered, I’ve not had a single breakdown, the only 2 items that have needed replacing are a TPMS sensor (due to tyre changing) and one of the speakers in the drivers door card was rattling, bmw replaced this FOC under warranty.
If you add more power, it’s highly advisable to do suspension work in line. I have since added an M performance LSD, KW V3’s, H&R anti roll bars, white line subframe mounts, staggered 8&9J wheels to run 245/255 tyres & more.
Bang for buck they are great cars, I still smile getting in mine each time, it’ll still do 45+ mpg at 70mph, servicing is cheap & mechanically, there’s really not a lot to go wrong with them. The tuning potential is very good and with spend the money in the right area’s they are capable cars. Don’t let people tell you it’s too fast for a 22 year old etc, it was my first rwd car as well, just drive to your abilities, get used to the car, take it on track to find you/the cars limits.
Any questions will be happy to answer over PM.
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The LSD didn’t cost me anything to add to my policy, it’s the M Performance diff and fitted by BMW, so they classed it as optional extra. Might be worth speaking to an insurer ahead of time to clarify.
Do you happen to know if this is the same for the M Performance Exhaust too? If I buy a car that has an MPE, will this count as a modification to insurers?
 

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OBM, if you do decide to buy an m140i then please take it down the country roads for a little while so you can be sure you definately think its fun, its not a cheap purchase. Also FYI the LSD is roughly £1800-2000 fitted its not a cheap mod.

The car is good in many many ways but yeh in stock form they lack something. I know what its like having the blinkers on when you get your heart set on one car but if your taking out a 5 year finance deal and £2000 insurance just make sure your 100% about it.

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Update: current cheapest I've now found is Aviva for £1799
That's not bad considering your age. Go buy that 140 m8, ignore the prophets of doom. When I test drove a 140, as soon as I put my foot down, I knew I wanted it!
 
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OBM, if you do decide to buy an m140i then please take it down the country roads for a little while so you can be sure you definately think its fun, its not a cheap purchase. Also FYI the LSD is roughly £1800-2000 fitted it’s not a cheap mod.

The car is good in many many ways but yeh in stock form they lack something. I know what its like having the blinkers on when you get your heart set on one car but if your taking out a 5 year finance deal and £2000 insurance just make sure your 100% about it.

Good luck.
I wonder whether you chose the right screen name since you don’t really seem much of a fan at all. Perhaps it’s ironic. Maybe it’s not the right car for you and should try something else. They aren’t for everyone, more of a GT than hot hatch and no amount of mods can shave off the 250kg necessary to make it so. Mods can come with compromises and you can if not careful end up with something worse than you started with.
 

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Do you happen to know if this is the same for the M Performance Exhaust too? If I buy a car that has an MPE, will this count as a modification to insurers?
Not sure I’m afraid, definitely worth giving them a call and checking. I had to explain what an LSD was to the guy on phone, bit of back and forth and he went off to check with the underwriters.
 

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People will have different options on what's considered a fun car but I think everyone can agree there isn't something quite right in stock form when it comes to the M140i. Nearly everyone has said it needs LSD which isn't a cheap option for some.
 
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I wonder whether you chose the right screen name since you don’t really seem much of a fan at all. Perhaps it’s ironic. Maybe it’s not the right car for you and should try something else.
Maybe hes just realised that these are detuned/sanitised versions of M cars and suffer for that, particularly when youve driven the corresponding M car?
I wouldnt consider an E/F 1 or 2 series without a minimum of M3 arms, camber plates, LSD, no runflats and better brake pads and it would only be a matter of time before I had it mapped, put lighter wheels, ARBs and better suspension on it, Ive pretty much run out of stuff to throw at my E82 now :ROFLMAO:

With all of that they become seriously fun cars but the first part is probably £3K, the second bit would be about the same.
Buy a Megane, a JCW or even a Cayman and you dont need to touch it to be getting the best enjoyment out if it, they come set up for lols in a way a babybmw doesnt (1M and M2 excepted)
 

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That is EXTREMELY handy to know, thank you. If an LSD is as necessary as people say, then this may have to be a guaranteed addition
It's a nice to have, but not necessary at all IMO. Car drives just fine as it is.
 
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Can people bear in mind that OP is at the beginning of his car journey, not 15 years in with weeks of track experience and a double figure count of cars owned. His frame of reference is an Agila, a 140/240 is going to be an upgrade in every possible way.

The Mlites are a solid middle ground between the stability and refinement of a saloon and the dynamics of a purpose built hot hatch/sports car. Even if he doesn’t end up liking the car (doubtful!) it’s a great place to start before ‘specializing’.
 

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Can people bear in mind that OP is at the beginning of his car tourney, not 15 years in with weeks of track experience and a double figure count of cars owned. His frame of reference is an Agila, a 140/240 is going to be an upgrade in every possible way.

The Mlites are a solid middle ground between the stability and refinement of a saloon and the dynamics of a purpose built hot hatch/sports car. Even if he doesn’t end up liking the car (doubtful!) it’s a great place to start before ‘specializing’.
Exactly this - the way some people go on about these cars being absolutely dangerous/undriveable unless they've had £10,000 in mods thrown at them is just total utter nonsense from people that have no experience. :rolleyes:

It's the sort of entitled rubbish the youth of today come out with, having not had to drive some of the stuff that we had to drive growing up. Back when I was a teen, some of the cars that people used to say were the best thing since sliced bread as a weekend car wouldn't even know which way an MLite went, in any situation - power, handling, speed etc.

Some folk make it sound like the cars don't work and will just understeer off the road at the slightest sight of a bend/country road. It's absolute rubbish in every single way. They drive fine, they handle well, they are chuckable and very readable.

They aren't trackday specials built for outright handling, but they are excellent to drive quickly and the handling is very good. We're not talking Nissan Micra here. :D
 

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I wonder whether you chose the right screen name since you don’t really seem much of a fan at all. Perhaps it’s ironic. Maybe it’s not the right car for you and should try something else. They aren’t for everyone, more of a GT than hot hatch and no amount of mods can shave off the 250kg necessary to make it so. Mods can come with compromises and you can if not careful end up with something worse than you started with.
Exactly my point, they are a GT not a hot hatch and for this reason they are really not that fun stock on country roads, they can possibly become fun with a good few grand spent on them but its not cheap.

I am a m140i fan, im a fan in that it makes a perfect daily driver for a family, it has a quick turn of pace and is refined and quiet when needs be, it can be a bit fun coming off roundabouts too - helped mostly by the LSD predictability, but a car id choose on a sunday to go for a blast down some country lanes? Nope

Everyone who owns one will sing their praises and i will sing its praises as above but i will be honest with the OP who is young and about to spend a lot of money on one - it is not the car i would pick to blast down a country road, especially a stock one. Living life fast bought an m140i and he has a lot of experience with many cars and he says how unnverving the stock chassis is, even after having an LSD and Birds suspension he is still not 100% on the car.
 

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It's the sort of entitled rubbish the youth of today come out with, having not had to drive some of the stuff that we had to drive growing up. Back when I was a teen, some of the cars that people used to say were the best thing since sliced bread as a weekend car wouldn't even know which way an MLite went, in any situation - power, handling, speed etc.
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Sorry if I have missed it, but have you asked yourself why you want the M140? Is it just about power, bragging rights, looks, comfort, RWD, fun, noise etc.

power - 140 offers fantastic bang for buck.
Bragging rights - there will always be someone with a better car no matter what you get
Looks - very subjective but I wouldn't say it was a looker. However if you do love the looks then just go and buy it because this is 1 aspect that is very difficult to ignore as you will see plenty around and constantly wish you had 1.
Comfort - does ok and comparable with most premium hatch backs.
RWD - yeah bmw pretty much the only player in the RWD hatch game. You could look at older options 130i/M135 for better value.
Fun - very capable car but probably have more fun in Fiesta ST or other similar sporty hatch.
Noise - pre 2019 is good but not exactly exotic. 2019 onwards will be muted due to OPF. Either way most noise inside is from the speakers.

Obviously with mods you can turn the car into whatever you want, but sometimes it's just easier starting with the perfect (or close to perfect) car for you in the 1st place.

Most people would be very happy with the car but unless you ask yourself what it is about the m140 specifically, you will never know if it is the car for you. Best option is to go and drive a variety of cars and see what clicks for you.

Edit: forgot to mention that you shouldn't underestimate how ridiculously expensive life gets when you move out of your parents place so don't stretch finances too far! Personally I would struggle to sleep at night if I was paying nearly £2k just to insure my car!
 
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