B58 broken oil filter/housing

Mbateman · Feb 24, 2018

So took my 140 in for its first service today, hour and half later they came out and said sorry the filter housing has broken and a new one won't be in till Tuesday.
When I went to the car to collect my stuff the tech showed me the old filter cartridge which was ripped to pieces and broken.

He said it's really common on the B58 engines.

Anyone heard of this before?
Anyone know what else may be broken and need a new part to be ordered? In the panic of the moment I never actually asked what the new part needed was. The new filter cartridge hadn't been installed yet.

Cheers

Matt

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Goon · Feb 24, 2018

Doesn't sound good at all on a car that is probably pretty new.

and79 · Feb 24, 2018

Can't understand how they could break the housing. The cap just unscrews off to allow access to the filter. It sounds like someone was a bit ham fisted to me. At least It'll be sorted at no cost to you.

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Mbateman · Feb 24, 2018

Cars an august 2016. Just hit 18000 miles, so first service.
The screw cap was on the side and looked fine. Hopefully they didn't break the main housing. There is only a couple of parts to it.

The 320d GT loaner is the worst part about it [emoji53]

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Octavius · Feb 24, 2018

Wonder if the housing is made of the wrong spec plastic and becomes brittle with heat.

Mbateman · Feb 24, 2018

I really wish I had queried it more while I was there.
The only thing the tech showed me was the actual old filter cartridge. The paper had all fallen into pieces and the plastic parts were broken.
I suspect perhaps they broke the main housing while trying to get all the old cartridge out.

Just wondered if anyone else had heard of this as he said it was a common problem.

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BigWill · Feb 24, 2018

It's so easy to get it out, takes like 2 mins and basic tools. Not sure how they've bunnied it up.

JCSM240i · Mar 16, 2019

Hi Matt

I also have just taken my M240i in for its first service. After about 30 Minutes I was advised that the oil filter housing was badly broken and needed replacing. Furthermore, the part was not in stock and I would have to wait to the following Tuesday (today being Saturday) because parts were not delivered on the weekend nor on a Monday.

I was also advised that this is a known fault.

Just out of interest did you notice a drop in power pick up from a full stop?

Thanks
J

PS - loaner car is a 116d

Locoblade · Mar 16, 2019

It's quite common and there's a longer thread on it here somewhere. Mine had the issue at first service but as I understand it is the filter itself that breaks when being removed then it can be very difficult to get the broken section out of the housing without damaging it. My dealer said they'd had a few of these and developed a tool or technique to help get it out so ended up being only a 30 minute delay on my while you wait service

Father Mapple · Mar 16, 2019

and79 said:
Can't understand how they could break the housing. The cap just unscrews off to allow access to the filter. It sounds like someone was a bit ham fisted to me. At least It'll be sorted at no cost to you.

Most likely its just the filter that broke. The problem here is the base of the filter shears off when you unscrew the cap and the filter base is left at the bottom of the housing. It's a real pita to get that out. Whether the issue is down to a bad batch of filters or something with the O ring seal at the bottom I dont know, but several people have reported the problem. It could also be down to BMW scheduling the first oil change at two years.

M140iGuy · Mar 16, 2019

That's why you do your own oil changes in between the official ones. I did a run in service on mine and then change the oil no more than every 9000 miles. Never had any oil filter issues that way.

JimA51 · Mar 16, 2019

on the other hand if the filter does break when doing a DIY oil change it sounds like you are stuffed!

I'm thinking of just changing the oil on mine at 3k

Goon · Mar 17, 2019

Octavius said:
Wonder if the housing is made of the wrong spec plastic and becomes brittle with heat.

Plastic?? That kind of says it all really.

Dace64 · Mar 17, 2019

I changed mine after 2,500 miles and every 5,000 thereafter. Had the "first service" carried out by BMW at 19,000 miles. I've done 30,000 miles and carried out 4 interim services myself.

Father Mapple · Mar 17, 2019

M140iGuy said:
That's why you do your own oil changes in between the official ones. I did a run in service on mine and then change the oil no more than every 9000 miles. Never had any oil filter issues that way.

Which is fine if you buy the car new. This happened to me while doing an interim service. The car was second hand with 13k on the clock. If I had not been able to fabricate a tool to get the old filter out it would have ended up having to be towed to a garage to be fixed.

gipola · Jun 13, 2019

Locoblade said:
It's quite common and there's a longer thread on it here somewhere. Mine had the issue at first service but as I understand it is the filter itself that breaks when being removed then it can be very difficult to get the broken section out of the housing without damaging it. My dealer said they'd had a few of these and developed a tool or technique to help get it out so ended up being only a 30 minute delay on my while you wait service

Hiya,
please could you let me know the dealer you spoke to and maybe some names - this has just happened to me as i attempted to DIY the oil service and now i'm regretting every minute of it.

if i can't fabricate this tool or work out how to pull it out myself i'll have to tow the car to an independent and probably end up spending 4 hours of labour...........

Locoblade · Jun 13, 2019

Just replied to your PM, it was Barons in Hindhead but I don't have any names or anything I'm afraid.

gipola · Jun 13, 2019

Locoblade said:
Just replied to your PM, it was Barons in Hindhead but I don't have any names or anything I'm afraid.

thanks, saw your PM, i guess the PM's did work then, strange as it says its sat in outbox and not sent :?

anyway, yup, pic below. I'm telling you, i swear i could not have been more slow, more cautious, as i slowly, slowly turned that cap like 1/4 turn, unscrewed it completely and eased it out. Used as little force as i possibly could. And it still broke.
I've heard of these things breaking if its been sat in the car for Long intervals - but BMW told me they replaced it when i bought the car off them at 19k miles, and its now at 29k, which is why i thought i'd actually be prudent, and do a mid-interval oil change myself.
And now i'm in a world of trouble.

lloyd92 · Jun 14, 2019

That sucks arse is there no way you can grip it with some long nose pliers or something? Or is it properly sunk into the housing

JimA51 · Jun 14, 2019

Perhaps someone who has successfully fabricated a tool to remove the broken bit of the filter could make it available to the forum ?
Sounds like you need a very long nose set of pliers

I'm sure many of us would happily pay postage charges - even as a just in case. It wont be a problem for me for a few years as I'll be doing interim oil changes without filter while under warranty

This reminds me of 30 years ago when I first changed my Ford Escort metal filter and couldn't get it loose with a strap wrench Eventually - with a great deal of worry as I needed the car for work the next day - I plunged a screwdriver through the whole thing and loosened it that way

Locoblade · Jun 14, 2019

gipola said:
thanks, saw your PM, i guess the PM's did work then, strange as it says its sat in outbox and not sent :?

PMs on the forum sit in your outbox until they're read by the recipient, doesn't work like e-mail outbox

As to getting the rest out, the base section that's stuck in the housing is rubber I assume? If so could you not get a couple of long screws and gently screw into it then pull it out with the screws? You'd need to be a bit careful about any bits of rubber that come out when the screw goes in and ensure you didn't go too far and screw into the housing itself (which I'm guessing is plastic?), maybe do a practice run on the other end you've extracted to see what happens and work out the best place to position the screw to get a good hold.

gipola · Jun 14, 2019

Locoblade said:
gipola said:

thanks, saw your PM, i guess the PM's did work then, strange as it says its sat in outbox and not sent :?

Click to expand...

PMs on the forum sit in your outbox until they're read by the recipient, doesn't work like e-mail outbox

As to getting the rest out, the base section that's stuck in the housing is rubber I assume? If so could you not get a couple of long screws and gently screw into it then pull it out with the screws? You'd need to be a bit careful about any bits of rubber that come out when the screw goes in and ensure you didn't go too far and screw into the housing itself (which I'm guessing is plastic?), maybe do a practice run on the other end you've extracted to see what happens and work out the best place to position the screw to get a good hold.

oh i see what you mean, i've bought 2 long-reach 90 degree pick tools which i was planning to try...when this pissing rain stops.
Your method would work too but it'd be more difficult, and if i can't get any purchase on it properly and the screw slips inside.....i have nightmares about that.

The oilfilter housing still has about 2 inches deep of oil in it - is that normal?
I let it drain last night for at least an hour, and before i put the screw back on, oil was dripping at like, 1 drip every 15-20 seconds, so i thought - all done.

Should there still be oil in the housing? or maybe its still there coz the broken oil filter base is stuck in the bottom?

EDIT: ignore all that above its not 2 inches deep....its fine. Going to attempt the extraction now. this is like car surgery.

Michael_S91 · Jun 14, 2019

So to prevent that damage on oil filter/housing we should replace it often ?

gipola · Jun 14, 2019

JimA51 said:
Perhaps someone who has successfully fabricated a tool to remove the broken bit of the filter could make it available to the forum ?
Sounds like you need a very long nose set of pliers

I'm sure many of us would happily pay postage charges - even as a just in case. It wont be a problem for me for a few years as I'll be doing interim oil changes without filter while under warranty

This reminds me of 30 years ago when I first changed my Ford Escort metal filter and couldn't get it loose with a strap wrench Eventually - with a great deal of worry as I needed the car for work the next day - I plunged a screwdriver through the whole thing and loosened it that way

well i've bought a couple sets of this....my main issue i've got is theres still 2 inches of oil in the oil filter housing, even though i did obviously check underneath and let it drain for at least an hour. :?
so i'm going to have to do it blind and feel my way around the edge of the base thats stuck. dear god.

EDIT: its not 2 inches deep, i'm such an idiot. Coz the housing is at an angle so some remaining oil is just laying on 1 side. god i'm thick.

Locoblade · Jun 14, 2019

Yeh you'll always get a bit of residual oil sitting in the filter housing as it's pumped through that so won't fully gravity drain, you can always suck it out with a syringe or soak it up with a lint free rag if you need to see what you're doing. Those pick tools may well do the job though yep.

Locoblade · Jun 14, 2019

Michael_S91 said:
So to prevent that damage on oil filter/housing we should replace it often ?

It appears the filter rubber ends are perhaps drying out and sticking to the housing so when unscrewed it grips both ends and the only thing that can happen is the filter is twisted in two. not sure what you can do about it as its obviously well lubricated in that area, maye a thin smear of assembly grease on the filter ends before assembly might help keep it free?

My feeling though is to leave the filter well alone when doing interim changes yourself so it only gets changed as part of the dealer service schedule. The filters will easily work for 20k+ service intervals especially if the oil is replaced half way through that.

B58 broken oil filter/housing

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