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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Dannyblack » Fri May 20, 2016 1:00 pm

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Dannyblack wrote:Tell me about it, I was half way down the M61 when that came out of his mouth no chance.

Tried telling me a full Audison upgrade package for £1600, told them I simply wanted front speakers and didn't come in for a full upgrade but weren't having any of it.
Yeah, that's a crazy quote to just change speakers!
Just called him back again spoke to a different guy think there's 3 of them working there, told him the price is extortionate give me a proper price to consider, he said he could " do me a deal at £70 " which to me just to straight swap speakers is ridiculous..
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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Sonic1506 » Fri May 20, 2016 1:15 pm

£70 isn't bad IMO. Where I used to work was £60 for a component swap.

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Dannyblack wrote:£70 isn't bad IMO. Where I used to work was £60 for a component swap.
I will think about it, mainly because I'm impatient and want to get it done soon haha

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by mtechtone » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:42 am

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Morning all,

After twiddling my thumbs should I shouldn't I buy some new front speakers, I have finally pulled the trigger. Nothing too major, just wanted to get some new 4" drivers in there as my old ones had blown, tiny magnets that can't handle the volume knob when turned up.

Anyway, I ordered some Rainbow IL-XF F Series front speakers, they are drop in replacements so not need to start adding brackets/spacers etc.

Wondered if anybody has had experience with the sound quality from these speakers, or any rainbow speakers for that matter?

They are highly recommended by a few specialist audio shops near me along with Audison, but went for Rainbow mainly on price.

Love to hear everyones thoughts.
I've also been twiddling my thumbs on this one. The Rainbow coaxials appeal for a relatively cheap upgrade - adding actual tweeters to the system for some much needed clarity.

Did you get these fitted in the end? How are they?

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by mtechtone » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:45 am

Or anyone else fitted these for that matter? :chin:

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Sonic1506 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:50 pm

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Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:45 am
Or anyone else fitted these for that matter? :chin:
I've heard the rainbows in an E93, I personally preferred my Gladens to the Rainbows, both of our systems were amped and we both ran 3 ways albeit in different cars.

The Rainbows are good speakers but to me they lacked a bit of depth and sounded a little flat compared to my Gladens. Not sure on the price of Rainbow 3 ways at the moment but my Gladens retail for £400 or £500. If you're interested, I'm selling my front Gladen 3 ways, never clipped and meticulously looked after. Send me a PM if interested.

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by mtechtone » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:11 pm

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Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:45 am
Or anyone else fitted these for that matter? :chin:
I've heard the rainbows in an E93, I personally preferred my Gladens to the Rainbows, both of our systems were amped and we both ran 3 ways albeit in different cars.

The Rainbows are good speakers but to me they lacked a bit of depth and sounded a little flat compared to my Gladens. Not sure on the price of Rainbow 3 ways at the moment but my Gladens retail for £400 or £500. If you're interested, I'm selling my front Gladen 3 ways, never clipped and meticulously looked after. Send me a PM if interested.
Thanks for the reply Sonic. Seems like your audio standards are a step above mine though :lol: I'm not really looking to amp up some 3 ways, or even components.

I was thinking the Rainbow's would fit my bill - addition of an actual tweeter for better treble, relatively inexpensive at ~£80 and hopefully(?) okay running off the standard head unit.

Does anyone know what power the standard system chucks out? According to the Rainbow website the IL-X4 coaxials require a minimum of 30 Watts.

Or any other speaker recommendations...?

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Sonic1506 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:51 am

mtechtone wrote:
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Thanks for the reply Sonic. Seems like your audio standards are a step above mine though :lol: I'm not really looking to amp up some 3 ways, or even components.

I was thinking the Rainbow's would fit my bill - addition of an actual tweeter for better treble, relatively inexpensive at ~£80 and hopefully(?) okay running off the standard head unit.

Does anyone know what power the standard system chucks out? According to the Rainbow website the IL-X4 coaxials require a minimum of 30 Watts.

Or any other speaker recommendations...?
Amping is not a necessity but it does make a real difference. Just changing the speakers to good aftermarkets from OEM will make a difference in clarity and treble.

What exactly are you after? Are you just changing the door speaker and adding a tweeter in the OEM pod? The worst thing you can do (IMO and I'm sure most will agree) is changing the OEM door speaker and drop a coaxial in there, you'll drop the sound stage down, ideally you want the tweeters higher up, closer to ear level for a better listening experience. If it's just tweeters you want, then go for OEM pods with OEM tweeters. Usually OEM headunits put out about 50wx4 or less, at a push 100wx4 but I don't know what the OEM BMW unit does or if that assumption is correct.

I did a lot of research before I took the plunge with my Gladens and they always came out on top and considering I saw a set come up second hand, it was silly not to purchase!

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Uncle Tupelo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:29 am

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The worst thing you can do (IMO and I'm sure most will agree) is changing the OEM door speaker and drop a coaxial in there, you'll drop the sound stage down, ideally you want the tweeters higher up, closer to ear level for a better listening experience.
With respect, I don't agree. Given that the car is a far from ideal listening environment, that the OEM tweeter pods aren't exactly close to ear level anyway and that none of the speakers are particularly well placed for accurate sound staging, my aim in a car is to go for reasonable audio fidelity and not to be too concerned about the fidelity of the sound stage. I suspect I'd be happy with really good mono sound in all honesty - the way sound stages present and shift in cars can be quite distracting and often seems contrived and artificial.

I'd say the worst thing you can do is live with the stock speakers and no tweeters - decent co-axials should provide a significant improvement. But I leave my serious listening for the house.
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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Sonic1506 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:55 am

Uncle Tupelo wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:29 am
With respect, I don't agree. Given that the car is a far from ideal listening environment, that the OEM tweeter pods aren't exactly close to ear level anyway and that none of the speakers are particularly well placed for accurate sound staging, my aim in a car is to go for reasonable audio fidelity and not to be too concerned about the fidelity of the sound stage. I suspect I'd be happy with really good mono sound in all honesty - the way sound stages present and shift in cars can be quite distracting and often seems contrived and artificial.

I'd say the worst thing you can do is live with the stock speakers and no tweeters - decent co-axials should provide a significant improvement. But I leave my serious listening for the house.
Disagree, you don't want tweeters lower down as they would be, if you were to just do a coaxial replacement, i.e. in the middle of the door or lower down at the bottom of the door (on VAG's for example). Granted they won't be at ear level in the pillars but they are higher up that mid/bottom of the doors. They're higher up for a better listening experience (In my opinion and in my experience), take two identical cars and have one where the tweeter is low down and one where it is higher up and you'll notice a difference, I'll be surprised if you don't. I've personally done this and noticed a difference.

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Uncle Tupelo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 am

We'll have to agree to disagree. I firmly believe that coaxials are better than no tweeters at all.
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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Sonic1506 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:38 am

Uncle Tupelo wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 am
We'll have to agree to disagree. I firmly believe that coaxials are better than no tweeters at all.
Disagree. I'd always do a component upgrade rather than a coax upgrade, tweeter positions are ALWAYS there (I can't think of any cars that don't have blanks or pods near the wing mirrors) and the cost between coax and components is negligible.

But yes, agree to disagree.

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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Uncle Tupelo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:13 pm

Sonic1506 wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:38 am
Uncle Tupelo wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 am
We'll have to agree to disagree. I firmly believe that coaxials are better than no tweeters at all.
Disagree. I'd always do a component upgrade rather than a coax upgrade, tweeter positions are ALWAYS there (I can't think of any cars that don't have blanks or pods near the wing mirrors) and the cost between coax and components is negligible.

But yes, agree to disagree.
You disagree that coaxials are better than no tweeters at all? Then, agree, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Re: Rainbow Reviews

Post by Sonic1506 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:34 pm

Uncle Tupelo wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:13 pm
You disagree that coaxials are better than no tweeters at all? Then, agree, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Sorry, should have removed the disagree. I edited it a few times before posting it. That's my mistake.

Depending on the application, in this case BMW, it's easy(ish) to get the tweeters and they plug in to the mid (on the E8x IIRC), so I wouldn't even go down the route of coaxials. If I was to change the speakers in the BMW, I would go straight for 3 Ways, if I was changing speakers in a VAG for example, I'd go straight for components.

I wouldn't ever consider coax's unless budget dictated it, nor would I recommend it to any of my friends/customers.

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