Clutch Judder?

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Rjudgey » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:13 pm

God knows to be honest I just live with mine as it only happens when it's freezing cold and it hasn't had a chance to warm up once it's up to temp it never happens. But if yours is bad all the time and it's literally shaking the car apart then you have to do something about it, maybe try LUK flywheel and clutch see if they are better made than the MANN/Valeo ones that BMW use.
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Glen123d » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:15 am

Ok bit of an update on this... The dealers took out the gearbox and can see that the clutch and flywheel are worn with high points on the flywheel. They contacted BMW for a warranty repair and this has since been rejected because of the mileage on the car (47k). What are your thoughts on this? Can anyone explain to me how a flywheel gets damaged? Is it possible that the clutch can cause the damage to the flywheel or is it the other way round with the fauly flywheel causing damage to the clutch plate?

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Lee_2f2f » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:29 am

Glen123d wrote:Ok bit of an update on this... The dealers took out the gearbox and can see that the clutch and flywheel are worn with high points on the flywheel. They contacted BMW for a warranty repair and this has since been rejected because of the mileage on the car (47k). What are your thoughts on this? Can anyone explain to me how a flywheel gets damaged? Is it possible that the clutch can cause the damage to the flywheel or is it the other way round with the fauly flywheel causing damage to the clutch plate?

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My thoughts are go back and argue again... I was told by the dealers here that the only time BMW warranty should turn around and say no is when it hits over 60K............ at 47K to be refused is down and out rude TBH..........

Mine was not rejected at 34K...... but mine was done in Belgium they seem to be more sympathetic with warranty repairs here, where as in the UK you have to argue for it.

Start questioning them and argue that you are not happy about being refused a warranty repair on a low mileage car with a typical BMW Defect and in no way is it driver error, therefore they HAVE to replace it!
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Glen123d » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:39 am

I thought the same to be honest Lee, I'm going to wait till they open and have another chat with them. To be honest the guy dealing with it is quite down to earth and can see my pointo of view so its certainly worth another shot. I wonder if it's down to my warranty running out this month so BMW are thinking lets just get out of this one? :evil:
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Simundo777 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:43 am

Glen123d wrote:I thought the same to be honest Lee, I'm going to wait till they open and have another chat with them. To be honest the guy dealing with it is quite down to earth and can see my pointo of view so its certainly worth another shot. I wonder if it's down to my warranty running out this month so BMW are thinking lets just get out of this one? :evil:
This is interesting as i flagged up my judder about 3 months ago. My warranty has since expired but my dealer assure me that because the problem was diagnosed in the warranty i'll be fine but after reading this I really dont know what to do. They have told me they are waiting for the updated part to become available and then they will book me in but a bill for £2k is just crazy. My car has done over 40k miles so please do let me know what happens for you mate.

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by justjer » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:33 pm

I just drove 750 km with my new Clutch (SACHS) and new Flywheel (LUK). No more judders for me.
Extra information: The original flywheel was also from LUK, and the clutch was a LUK/BMW clutch.

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Lee_2f2f » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:42 pm

justjer wrote:I just drove 750 km with my new Clutch (SACHS) and new Flywheel (LUK). No more judders for me.
Extra information: The original flywheel was also from LUK, and the clutch was a LUK/BMW clutch.
So is yours the revised clutch then?

All I can say is I must have the revised clutch too then because I am well over 4000KM with my replacement clutch and still no judder has returned.
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by justjer » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:59 pm

Actually i dont know if i have the revised clutch. My garage just ordered a new clutch from the Sachs factory (not through BMW)
Update: Drove a total amount of 1300 km's with my new clutch and flywheel. We have driven to some high places with a surface of sometimes more than 13%, so the engine and the clutch were working very hard at that point. But the BMW didnt have any problems (sometimes i shifted to gear three of four, but i have 116 '05) hehe ;)

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by grey1 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:57 pm

Does anyone have anymore information on the modified flywheel or clutch from BMW?

The reason for asking is that in 2008 my then 2 year old car had a replacement flywheel and clutch under BMW warranty. Last October the flywheel started to fail again and was replaced with SACHS clutch and LUK mass flywheel at a BMW indeependent garage. Now some 11 months on and 8000 miles later the judder is back and a vibration through the clutch pedal can be felt when changing gears at around 2-3000rpm.
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Bushy » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:13 pm

grey1 wrote:Does anyone have anymore information on the modified flywheel or clutch from BMW?

The reason for asking is that in 2008 my then 2 year old car had a replacement flywheel and clutch under BMW warranty. Last October the flywheel started to fail again and was replaced with SACHS clutch and LUK mass flywheel at a BMW indeependent garage. Now some 11 months on and 8000 miles later the judder is back and a vibration through the clutch pedal can be felt when changing gears at around 2-3000rpm.
I just had a new clutch and flywheel fitted last Thursday.

I can honestly say, hand on heart, that the change is beyond believe. No judder at all, power all the way now as opposed to when the judder used the hinder any movement off the line. It drives like a brand new car, and i have another new software update.

I cannot rate my BMW dealer enough for their service.
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by justjer » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:39 pm

grey1 wrote:Does anyone have anymore information on the modified flywheel or clutch from BMW?

The reason for asking is that in 2008 my then 2 year old car had a replacement flywheel and clutch under BMW warranty. Last October the flywheel started to fail again and was replaced with SACHS clutch and LUK mass flywheel at a BMW indeependent garage. Now some 11 months on and 8000 miles later the judder is back and a vibration through the clutch pedal can be felt when changing gears at around 2-3000rpm.
I guess you need again a new clutch and flywheel :(

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by grey1 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:54 pm

justjer wrote:
grey1 wrote:Does anyone have anymore information on the modified flywheel or clutch from BMW?

The reason for asking is that in 2008 my then 2 year old car had a replacement flywheel and clutch under BMW warranty. Last October the flywheel started to fail again and was replaced with SACHS clutch and LUK mass flywheel at a BMW indeependent garage. Now some 11 months on and 8000 miles later the judder is back and a vibration through the clutch pedal can be felt when changing gears at around 2-3000rpm.
I guess you need again a new clutch and flywheel :(
yep... car being looked at this week but if BMW have fix for this issue longterm I'd like to know about it sooner rather than later !
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by grey1 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:45 am

Have contacted BMW to see if the talked about modified clutch and flywheel is for all cars, there reply..... "Having checked our system, I can advise you that the modified clutch is for vehicles with an N47 (Diesel) engine"
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by justjer » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:14 pm

Extra information:
The clutch for the petrol version is different than the clutch for the diesel version

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by moyney » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:03 pm

Mine went into BMW Watford (scotthall) this week they admited there is an issue and they have reprogammed my ECU which is a short term fix and have told me that the dealer has issued a complaint on my behalf with BMW and they plan to have a solution for me in feb 2012, im guessing the solution is a new clutch, my car is 9 months old and has done 22,000 miles since having it back it has been ok but he did say it was a short term fix and it will again become an issue.Cant fault the dealer they booked it in straight away and gave me a car while it was in for free (although it was a mini automatic which was awful)
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