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 Post subject: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:27 pm 
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Complete BMW Newbie here, so please be gentle with me, and forgive any stupid questions!

My daughter has just bought a 2008(58) 118d hatchback, with navigation and iDrive. Private purchase, so no warranty.

The CD/Nav drive won't read the disk which is in it, nor will it eject. Pressing the eject button, or trying to eject by iDrive, doesn't appear to cause any encouraging whirring noises in the drive. When you switch on the system, it says 'Insert Navigation Disk'. Everything else works perfectly, so I'm assuming the disk drive is shot.

I've attached a photo I found on the net which shows the system she has. I'm not sure if it is Business or Professional. There was an 08-2 Business disk supplied with it, but I have no faith that it is the correct disk for the system. Would someone be good enough to identify it for me, and possibly a link on how to remove the drive?

Also, anyone have any dealings with Revtronic in Bradford, who seem to offer a repair service, or any suggestions for somewhere better?

Many thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Hi,

If its a 58 plate car then that isn't the system installed, the one in the photo is the later CIC hard drive based system. Your Daughters' car has the CCC DVD based system.

All that aside, it sounds like the DVD drive might be goosed. Is the nav disc genuine BMW?

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Two people beat me to telling you that that's a pre-2009 iDrive...

As dodgy as it sounds, i'd get my tweezers on the case and try and pluck out the disc. Then try a cd (audio)... If that works, buy a nav disc off ebay.

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:12 pm 
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There is definitely a CD in the crive, as I can see the edge of the disk, and can spin it with the tip of an electrical screwdriver. I tried tweezers, but couldn't get a grip on it, as the slot is quite narrow. Maybe I'll try some double-sided tape on a lollipop stick.

I'm pretty sure the CD/NAV drive looks just like the one in the photo in my first post, but I'll ask her to take a photo so you guys can take a look.

Do the copy map DVDs on eBay work OK? I could also download one from gpsunderground, but I'm not 100% sure which one to try.

Car was registered 16.10.2008 if that makes a difference.

Thanks for the suggestions so far. Much appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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If it's a 2008 model it SHOULD have the iDrive below, unless the previous has done a very expensive iDrive 2009 retrofit...

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=idrive ... 1,s:0,i:76

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=idrive ... 4,s:0,i:85

The 2009 iDrive controller has a number of different buttons around it and the twisting knob has more functionality. 2008 iDrive screen is not retina I believe...

Key difference between 2008 & 2009 iDrive (CCC & CIC) is that the 2008 menu looks like the above pic, wheras 2009 looks like:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=idrive ... 0,s:0,i:70

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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I believe that they had started to roll out the new nav in October of that year. My 58 plate missed the new nav by just a week or so but the easiest way to tell is if the screen pops up from the dash or is fixed in position. The older system had a screen that popped up whilst the new system was fixed in position.

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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This is the actual drive unit:

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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SamM118dSE wrote:
If it's a 2008 model it SHOULD have the iDrive below, unless the previous has done a very expensive iDrive 2009 retrofit...

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=idrive ... 1,s:0,i:76

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=idrive ... 4,s:0,i:85

The 2009 iDrive controller has a number of different buttons around it and the twisting knob has more functionality. 2008 iDrive screen is not retina I believe...

Key difference between 2008 & 2009 iDrive (CCC & CIC) is that the 2008 menu looks like the above pic, wheras 2009 looks like:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=idrive ... 0,s:0,i:70


Indeed, while I can't get the pics to work the number of buttons round the controller is an even better give-a-way that works for all BMWs. The older system only has one button while the newer ones have four or more I believe. The pop up screen is only relevant to the 1 series (I think).

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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Richard Hamilton wrote:
This is the actual drive unit:

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Unfortunately it's the controller and screen that give a clearer idea of what system you have.

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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ajwhitlock wrote:
I believe that they had started to roll out the new nav in October of that year. My 58 plate missed the new nav by just a week or so but the easiest way to tell is if the screen pops up from the dash or is fixed in position. The older system had a screen that popped up whilst the new system was fixed in position.

I believe it has a fixed screen on the dash, and the controller looks like the one in post #1.


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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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Richard Hamilton wrote:
ajwhitlock wrote:
I believe that they had started to roll out the new nav in October of that year. My 58 plate missed the new nav by just a week or so but the easiest way to tell is if the screen pops up from the dash or is fixed in position. The older system had a screen that popped up whilst the new system was fixed in position.

I believe it has a fixed screen on the dash, and the controller looks like the one in post #1.

Then it will be the newer system which doesn't rely on a DVD.

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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ajwhitlock wrote:
Richard Hamilton wrote:
ajwhitlock wrote:
I believe that they had started to roll out the new nav in October of that year. My 58 plate missed the new nav by just a week or so but the easiest way to tell is if the screen pops up from the dash or is fixed in position. The older system had a screen that popped up whilst the new system was fixed in position.

I believe it has a fixed screen on the dash, and the controller looks like the one in post #1.

Then it will be the newer system which doesn't rely on a DVD.


Agreed - the issue could be that it's trying to read off of the stuck disc when it doesn't need to...

Need to get that bad boy out of there!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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Thanks aj - I'll get her to take a photo of the display where it says 'insert nav dvd', and of the controller, and I'll see if you can make any sense of it then!

Edit: Thanks Sam - I'll try to find a way to get it outa there.


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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:58 pm 
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AFAIK the new CIC system (with fixed display) came with cars produced after 09/08. In those cars you have to slots (unlike the OP), one for a CD in the radio and a lower one for the nav DVD

Maybe if you remove the unit there is a pin hole in the back to manually eject the disc


However, if it is CCC I'm not sure why it would be trying to read from a disc as it would be looking for the maps on the hard drive wouldn't it ? Maybe there are no maps on the hard drive and it is trying to copy the maps off the disc on to the hard drive - is that how you get updates on to a CIC system ?

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 Post subject: Re: Navigation Drive Problem [Newbie Alert]
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Sorry to be getting you guys head scratching like this.

Here is the nav display showing "Please Insert Navigation DVD":
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And here is the controller:
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There is only one CD slot.

Any ideas welcomed!


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